On Light (Part 3 of 6)

A conversation between Janet Sussman and Doug Mackey (Oct 2010). Continued from Part Two.

D: People tend to have a certain fixed concept of the light body and what the chakras look like. But that’s a very schematic way of regarding it. We’re actually looking at the subtle level of the body as being composed of light. When you get into subtler levels of the body you get into subtler structures, characteristic forms that are constantly changing. It’s very kaleidoscopic and superfluid.

J: It’s moving all the time because of the wave value. It’s constantly moving, constantly changing. Basically all that happens in movement is that you’re exerting consciousness into the field to exert some particular effect. The wave value affects the particle value and changes the structure.

D: In order to understand that, first of all you have to get the equation that matter equals energy, according to Einstein, and we’re looking more at the energy level of the body. And light energy is a type of energy that can be converted through consciousness into a denser form that can then be apprehended by the senses and experienced by the mind.

J: A further twist is that it seems that sentience in human beings is not confined to a light body, just like it’s not confined to a physical body. Somehow, sentience can exist without any body.

D: The whole basis of your theory is that there is an interaction between mind and matter, and the mediator is consciousness or intelligence.

J: I wouldn’t say that consciousness is the mediator. You have the light body and you have the structures of the light body, and the structures of the light body are holding memory. In order for memory to exist it has to be fueled by pure consciousness. Pure consciousness is a actually a form of differentiation from pure existence. It comes out of the pure existence package.

D: Look at it in terms of the knower, the process of knowing, and the known, or rishi, devata, and chhandas. If you look at the devata value, where transformation is happening, the whole grammar of creation gets transformed. Rishi is the subject, devata is the verb, and chhandas is the object. The active part of that is what we’re calling pure consciousness, pure intelligence, which enables the light to be acted upon to be known.

J: Light talks to itself in its own dynamism.

D: As in the self-interacting dynamics of pure intelligence.

J: Light talks to itself. That’s why the chakras talk to themselves. . . . The chakra system has to become articulate and has to talk to itself in order for the permutations, one to five, four to six, and that articulation creates a network which makes light able to travel through the entire light-body system. Also, with the light intelligence becoming articulate, it can actually communicate to the brain and the central nervous system and differentiate it back out again to the subtlest level.

The whole notion of light is that it congeals and uncongeals, it aggregates and unaggregates, it contracts and expands, and it does this under pressure. That’s why you have different kinds of pressure in the body, like blood pressure. All these different types of experiences of pressure that we have are literally created from the level of pressure.

That’s what pulses are. In ayurvedic pulse diagnosis, you’re experiencing different levels of pressure on the level of light and sound, because it’s communicating through sound, which is what light does. But if you just stayed on the level of light, you’d be communicating through light and pressure. And that can tell you everything about a body. An ayurvedic doctor can tell you everything about your physical and subtle bodies through pulse diagnosis, because the pulse has all that information in it from the memory level.

Link to Part 4.